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Political Shivers
Author: Raine
Date: 10/09/2013 13:09:14
This a portion of the statement the President gave yesterday afternoon. Right off the bat, he used very strong and curious words. President Obama went on to explain that he or his staff have met with GOP leadership 20 times since March, declaring the result: On the possibility of defaulting Mr. Obama states:
On the First day of the shutdown, this came from the President: Ransom, extortion, 'bomb' (metaphorically, of course) are the words the President used to tell the world that the House Republicans purposefully decided to shut down government and are now threatening to default on the good faith and credit of the United States.
These words indicate criminality. These are words that came from this President, a man known for carefully choosing his words. They didn't come from a pundit or a partisan PAC. They came from the President of the United States of America speaking about 1/3 of one branch of government. He is in essence, declaring their actions criminal in nature. That should send a shiver down your spine. That people are actually contemplating that this is the New Normal should send a shiver down your spine.
We are headed towards a constitutional crisis, whether one believes it or not. The GOP knows this: Criminality abounds. The President used those words on purpose; They were no accident. That sends shivers down MY spine.
and 
Raine
Think about it this way, the American people do not get to demand a ransom for doing their jobs. You don't get a chance to call your bank and say I'm not going to pay my mortgage this month unless you throw in a new car and an Xbox. If you're in negotiations around buying somebody's house, you don't get to say, well, let's talk about the price I'm going to pay, and if you don't give the price then I'm going to burn down your house. That's not how negotiations work. That's not how it happens in business. That's not how it happens in private life.
In the same way, members of Congress, and the House Republicans in particular, don't get to demand ransom in exchange for doing their jobs. And two of their very basic jobs are passing a budget and making sure that America's paying its bills. They don't also get to say, you know, unless you give me what the voters rejected in the last election, I'm going to cause a recession.
That's not how it works. No American president would deal with a foreign leader like this. Most of you would not deal with either co- workers or business associates in this fashion. And we shouldn't be dealing this way here in Washington.
What we haven't been able to get are serious positions from the Republicans that would allow us to actually resolve some core differences. And they have decided to run out the clock until there's a government shutdown or the possibility of default, thinking that it would give them more leverage. That's not my characterization. They've said it themselves. That was their strategy from the start. And that is not how our government is supposed to run.
and I'm quoting here -- "insane, catastrophic, chaos" -- these are some of the more polite words.
Warren Buffett likened default to a nuclear bomb, a weapon too horrible to use. It would disrupt markets, it would undermine the world's confidence in America as the bedrock of the global economy, and it might permanently increase our borrowing costs which, of course, ironically would mean that it would be more expensive for us to service what debt we do have and it would add to our deficits and our debt, not decrease them.
On the First day of the shutdown, this came from the President:
Americans will only be able to return to work, Obama said, "when Republicans realize they don't get to hold the entire economy hostage over ideological demands."
These words indicate criminality. These are words that came from this President, a man known for carefully choosing his words. They didn't come from a pundit or a partisan PAC. They came from the President of the United States of America speaking about 1/3 of one branch of government. He is in essence, declaring their actions criminal in nature. That should send a shiver down your spine. That people are actually contemplating that this is the New Normal should send a shiver down your spine.
This is an exceedingly dangerous view that ignores the reality that every parent learns the hard way: Unchecked bad behavior begets worse behavior.
Just take a look at what’s happened to the Senate in recent years. Once, filibusters were rare exceptions. Now, they are constant. Nearly every bill, no matter how trivial, requires 60 votes for passage in a body that historically required a mere majority.
Similarly, presidential nominations are now routinely blocked for reasons only occasionally having to do with the qualifications of the nominee. Lawmakers have learned that they can take a nominee hostage in order to send an ideological message or convince an administration to change a regulation.
We are headed towards a constitutional crisis, whether one believes it or not. The GOP knows this:
Over and above any claims made about the ACA by those trying to destroy it -- almost all of which have been found to hold no water at all -- it is not compromise. Worse, it's unconstitutional, and therefore impossible; and I have to believe the Republicans know this.
Here's why.
The ACA was passed by Congress, signed by the president, and found constitutional by the Supreme Court. It is the law.
The Constitution says Congress must take those steps necessary and proper to put laws into effect, the Constitution says the president's job is to take good care to see the laws are faithfully executed, and the president takes an oath -- written into the Constitution -- to preserve, protect, and defend it.
So Congress has a responsibility to put the ACA into effect -- meaning, among other things, to finance it -- and the president is required by the Constitution to enforce it.
and Raine
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 10/09/2013 13:23:16
wickedpam on 10/09/2013 13:23:16
Morning 
Comment by 
Scoopster on 10/09/2013 13:25:21
Scoopster on 10/09/2013 13:25:21
Mornin' all.. 
What the heeeellll was that Bubble Butt bumper?
What the heeeellll was that Bubble Butt bumper?
Comment by 
Raine on 10/09/2013 13:26:17
I dunno -- that was awful! 
Raine on 10/09/2013 13:26:17
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..
What the heeeellll was that Bubble Butt bumper?
I dunno -- that was awful!
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 13:32:19
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 13:32:19
Howdy from the land o' virus scan. 
Comment by Scoopster on 10/09/2013 13:32:20
Scoopster on 10/09/2013 13:32:20
That Boehner clip........... 
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 13:36:23
Raine on 10/09/2013 13:36:23
So for those listening to the shows today, keep your ears peeled out to see if any RWLM calls in with the meme that Obama should have gotten single payer -- I mentioned it yesterday -- I want to see if this is a new meme.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 13:39:18
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 13:39:18
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 13:40:47
I haven't watched it yet. I heard it was really good. That's the one with Troy Aikman telling his concussion story?
Raine on 10/09/2013 13:40:47
Quote by Mondobubba:
So, who watched "Frontline" last night? League of Denial: The NFL's Concussion Crisis.
Comment by 
TriSec on 10/09/2013 13:42:45
TriSec on 10/09/2013 13:42:45
I've long since forgotten the movie.
It's a Vietnam thing; there's a dude that was captured by the VietCong, and he's being held in an exposed position that if the orbiting Sandies (Douglas Skyraiders) bombed it to relieve the attack, he'd be killed.
The VC let him on the radio to talk to the planes, and he said one thing:
DO IT.
That's where we're at. That's what the President should say. I'm so fucking tired of this shit; they made their bed, now fucking lie in it, assholes.
It's a Vietnam thing; there's a dude that was captured by the VietCong, and he's being held in an exposed position that if the orbiting Sandies (Douglas Skyraiders) bombed it to relieve the attack, he'd be killed.
The VC let him on the radio to talk to the planes, and he said one thing:
DO IT.
That's where we're at. That's what the President should say. I'm so fucking tired of this shit; they made their bed, now fucking lie in it, assholes.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 13:44:34
Yes, very good. Well not Aikman himself telling the story, his agent. The corporate entity that is the NFL is run by swine. Greed headed swine who will not admit that they are endangering it's players lives.
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 13:44:34
Quote by Raine:I haven't watched it yet. I heard it was really good. That's the one with Troy Aikman telling his concussion story?Quote by Mondobubba:
So, who watched "Frontline" last night? League of Denial: The NFL's Concussion Crisis.
Yes, very good. Well not Aikman himself telling the story, his agent. The corporate entity that is the NFL is run by swine. Greed headed swine who will not admit that they are endangering it's players lives.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/09/2013 13:55:46
Scoopster on 10/09/2013 13:55:46
Oh for fuck's sake get this idiot off the air. 
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 13:56:13
Road flare Mary Rose
Raine on 10/09/2013 13:56:13
Road flare
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 13:56:48
she was banned from calling -- so she used a fake name!
Raine on 10/09/2013 13:56:48
Quote by Scoopster:
Oh for fuck's sake get this idiot off the air.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/09/2013 14:00:19
oh lord
that woman needs a hobby
wickedpam on 10/09/2013 14:00:19
Quote by Raine:she was banned from calling -- so she used a fake name!Quote by Scoopster:
Oh for fuck's sake get this idiot off the air.
oh lord
that woman needs a hobby
Comment by TriSec on 10/09/2013 14:02:00
TriSec on 10/09/2013 14:02:00
Say, there is an asschub out there. You know who you are.
Aaaaand.....Flu Vaccine! Thimerisol! My brain is melting!
: hides in corner of blog, plays with cloud :
Aaaaand.....Flu Vaccine! Thimerisol! My brain is melting!
: hides in corner of blog, plays with cloud :
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 14:04:22
Get Jenny McCarthy in here stat! Only her woo can save him now!
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 14:04:22
Quote by TriSec:
Say, there is an asschub out there. You know who you are.
Aaaaand.....Flu Vaccine! Thimerisol! My brain is melting!
: hides in corner of blog, plays with cloud :
Get Jenny McCarthy in here stat! Only her woo can save him now!
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:08:54
It's that time of year! 
Raine on 10/09/2013 14:08:54
Quote by TriSec:
Say, there is an asschub out there. You know who you are.
Aaaaand.....Flu Vaccine! Thimerisol! My brain is melting!
: hides in corner of blog, plays with cloud :
Comment by 
BobR on 10/09/2013 14:11:37
been "there", done that...
BobR on 10/09/2013 14:11:37
Quote by Raine:It's that time of year!Quote by TriSec:
Say, there is an asschub out there. You know who you are.
Aaaaand.....Flu Vaccine! Thimerisol! My brain is melting!
: hides in corner of blog, plays with cloud :
been "there", done that...
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:12:19
Raine on 10/09/2013 14:12:19
Paul Ryan is either looking to be the next Speaker of the house -- or he's running for President -- or both. Mark my words.
I was wondering this morning why he's been so quiet with all the mess going on.
And today, we see he's got an Op-Ed in the WSJ.
From Maddow Blog: Interesting, VERY VERY interesting.
I was wondering this morning why he's been so quiet with all the mess going on.
And today, we see he's got an Op-Ed in the WSJ.
From Maddow Blog:
Rep. Paul Ryan publishes an Op-Ed saying the way to fix the shutdown is for the President to negotiate. (WSJ)
Rep. Eric Cantor, too. (Wash Post)
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:13:21
Raine on 10/09/2013 14:13:21
What are the Odds of Walter White winning the Nobel prize for Chemistry?
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 14:19:00
I dunno I would hope at least an honorable mention. A participation ribbon?
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 14:19:00
Quote by Raine:
What are the Odds of Walter White winning the Nobel prize for Chemistry?
I dunno I would hope at least an honorable mention. A participation ribbon?
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 14:19:47
New talking point from the Laurel and Hardy of the House.
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 14:19:47
Quote by Raine:
Paul Ryan is either looking to be the next Speaker of the house -- or he's running for President -- or both. Mark my words.
I was wondering this morning why he's been so quiet with all the mess going on.
And today, we see he's got an Op-Ed in the WSJ.
From Maddow Blog:Interesting, VERY VERY interesting.Rep. Paul Ryan publishes an Op-Ed saying the way to fix the shutdown is for the President to negotiate. (WSJ)
Rep. Eric Cantor, too. (Wash Post)
New talking point from the Laurel and Hardy of the House.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:20:51
Raine on 10/09/2013 14:20:51
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
What are the Odds of Walter White winning the Nobel prize for Chemistry?
I dunno I would hope at least an honorable mention. A participation ribbon?
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:33:13
Raine on 10/09/2013 14:33:13
I call bullshit on the entire mess. Take a look at the FB page and you will see that they are just lying.
Stupid damn teabagidiots.
ETA: Inside NoVa was too lazy to link to their FB page. I'll find it myself.
Stupid damn teabagidiots.
ETA: Inside NoVa was too lazy to link to their FB page. I'll find it myself.
Comment by TriSec on 10/09/2013 14:36:39
TriSec on 10/09/2013 14:36:39
Oh, I ran across something disturbing this morning:
Actually, this is from our friends at Wikipedia. Just substitute 'Tea Party' for 'Fascist' throughout the article. Then try not to barricade yourself in your house with an AK-47.
Tea-Partyers seek to unify their nation through a totalitarian state that promotes the mass mobilization of the national community, and are characterized by having a vanguard party that initiates a revolutionary political movement aiming to reorganize the nation along principles according to Tea Party ideology. Hostile to liberal democracy, socialism, and communism, Tea Party movements share certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultra-nationalism and militarism. Tea-Partyism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation and asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations.
Actually, this is from our friends at Wikipedia. Just substitute 'Tea Party' for 'Fascist' throughout the article. Then try not to barricade yourself in your house with an AK-47.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:40:24
BoF page.
Thier website. (turn down the volume if you click on this page, trust me.)
Inside NoVa did a really shitty job here. REALLY shitty reporting.
Raine on 10/09/2013 14:40:24
Quote by Raine:
I call bullshit on the entire mess. Take a look at the FB page and you will see that they are just lying.
Stupid damn teabagidiots.
ETA: Inside NoVa was too lazy to link to their FB page. I'll find it myself.
Thier website. (turn down the volume if you click on this page, trust me.)
Inside NoVa did a really shitty job here. REALLY shitty reporting.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:49:26
Raine on 10/09/2013 14:49:26
Absolutely loving this conversation about Julian Assange & wikileaks.
I swear it's about the same as I've been trying to say: What started out as something good became bad. I loved when they raised the point of who should be the dispenser of information and who should deem them responsible.
I hope they put this segment on the BoF.
I swear it's about the same as I've been trying to say: What started out as something good became bad. I loved when they raised the point of who should be the dispenser of information and who should deem them responsible.
I hope they put this segment on the BoF.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:51:17
Raine on 10/09/2013 14:51:17
So this happened yesterday. Compare, contrast:
Snowden and Assange are in hiding. Manning is in jail.
Democratic Reps. John Lewis of Georgia, Luis Gutierrez of Illinois, Charlie Rangel of New York, Raul Grijalva of Arizona, Joe Crowley of New York, Jan Schakowsky of Illinois, Keith Ellison of Minnesota and Al Green of Texas were all detained by Capitol Police. The politicians, along with activists who attended an immigration rally on the National Mall Tuesday afternoon, staged a sit-in near the west side of the Capitiol.
Authorities arrested the lawmakers for crowding and disrupting the streets around the Capitol. Police arrested almost 200 people during the protest.
"We cannot rest, we cannot be satisfied until we have comprehensive immigration reform," Lewis told reporters earlier in the day.
Snowden and Assange are in hiding. Manning is in jail.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:54:32
Raine on 10/09/2013 14:54:32
After this interview, I really want to see the movie the Fifth Estate.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/09/2013 14:55:12
Scoopster on 10/09/2013 14:55:12
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:55:41
Raine on 10/09/2013 14:55:41
Assange is all for transparency for government but not so much for himself.
That's kinda ironic...
That's kinda ironic...
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:56:14
OMG -- is he really that stupid?
Raine on 10/09/2013 14:56:14
Quote by Scoopster:
Uhhhh.. It doesn't fucking work like that, Gohmert Pyle.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 14:57:19
Too bad they support this myth that Goldwater was integration. Goldwater voted against the 1964 Civil Right Act because he felt it infringed on property rights. Just like the Pauls, pere et filles.
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 14:57:19
Quote by Raine:
Amazing piece at Think Progress.
Too bad they support this myth that Goldwater was integration. Goldwater voted against the 1964 Civil Right Act because he felt it infringed on property rights. Just like the Pauls, pere et filles.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:57:52
Raine on 10/09/2013 14:57:52
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 15:00:54
Hey, Gomer Pyle was just hick from Mayberry, NC. Louis Gohmert is just fucking stupid. Don't insult Gomer that way.
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 15:00:54
Quote by Scoopster:
Uhhhh.. It doesn't fucking work like that, Gohmert Pyle.
Hey, Gomer Pyle was just hick from Mayberry, NC. Louis Gohmert is just fucking stupid. Don't insult Gomer that way.
Comment by BobR on 10/09/2013 15:03:30
No wonder Republicans are so anti-education - they don't want constituents that are smarter than they are.
BobR on 10/09/2013 15:03:30
Quote by Raine:OMG -- is he really that stupid?Quote by Scoopster:
Uhhhh.. It doesn't fucking work like that, Gohmert Pyle.
No wonder Republicans are so anti-education - they don't want constituents that are smarter than they are.
Comment by TriSec on 10/09/2013 15:04:07
TriSec on 10/09/2013 15:04:07
I still hope that Mr. Cheny has some kind of massive, immediately fatal medical event on live TV one day so I can see it with my own eyes.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 15:05:39
ETA: This is the problem, yes -- so the only solution is for Congress to get its shit together.
HAve I mentioned that I really enjoy Cilizza?
Raine on 10/09/2013 15:05:39
ETA: This is the problem, yes -- so the only solution is for Congress to get its shit together.
HAve I mentioned that I really enjoy Cilizza?
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 15:10:40
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 15:10:40
Scoop did you notice that Raw Story has a whole section devoted my favorite Republican Dumb-ass, Louie Gohmert.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 15:11:54
Raine on 10/09/2013 15:11:54
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 15:12:53
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 15:12:53
From the RationalWiki profile of Louie Gohmert:
Louie Gohmert is a Republican Representative from Texas (first elected in 2004) and an accomplished idiot. He continues Texas' long, well-deserved reputation of electing eminently stupid people to federal office. He survives by hewing as far right as he can go in an already right-wing state, including jumping on the birther train in 2009[1] and the Tea Party movement in 2010.[2] Despite getting elected year after year, as a representative, nothing he says accomplishes anything beyond wasting time, his proposed bills go nowhere, and his role on every House committee is to be a big dumb waste of space.
However, he's tolerated by the Tea Party movement[3] because he's a reliable supporter of whatever their political position du jour is, including opposing Obamacare,[4] taxes,[5][6] gun control,[7] the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell,[8] and the American Jobs Act stimulus bill.[9]
What makes Gohmert remarkable isn't his run-of-the-mill Tea Party positions, but rather, that he defends them with incredibly stupid reasons. Jesus hates taxes![6] Gun control will lead to beastiality![7] The American Jobs Act is an attack on marriage![9] Obama talking to BP about the 2010 oil spill is just like Hitler![10] Foreign aid to China will lead them to sell us food with cats and dogs in it![11] Oil pipelines are good for wildlife![12] Hate crimes legislation leads to necrophilia![13]
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 15:17:58
Raine on 10/09/2013 15:17:58
I'm sorry for posting so many things today, I'm using this as a repository for debunking in the very near future.
I'm so tired of people not understanding what is happening.
I'm so tired of people not understanding what is happening.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 15:27:10
Raine on 10/09/2013 15:27:10
Would it be wrong of me to turn this gawker piece around and say that maybe, just maybe, because of her personal portfolio, Janet Yellen might just be the right person for the job?
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and now I must read the comments and glean gifs.
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and now I must read the comments and glean gifs.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 15:32:24
Raine on 10/09/2013 15:32:24
No gifs (so far) but this:
Oh my god, the woman selected because she is qualified enough to manage the Federal Reserve of the United States is successful, financially literate, and has a diverse and successful financial portfolio.
I should certainly hope so. Would you be happier with MC Hammer as chair of the Fed, Mister Nolan?
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 15:40:50
Raine on 10/09/2013 15:40:50
The president isn't negotiating because we don't negotiate with Terrorists. Remember that, GOP?
Let me remind them:
Let me remind them:
Comment by TriSec on 10/09/2013 15:53:25
Now that's made of win. I am totally stealing that to go on FB later.
TriSec on 10/09/2013 15:53:25
Quote by Raine:
The president isn't negotiating because we don't negotiate with Terrorists. Remember that, GOP?
Now that's made of win. I am totally stealing that to go on FB later.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 15:53:50
Gawker didn't nail that one.
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 15:53:50
Quote by Raine:
Would it be wrong of me to turn this gawker piece around and say that maybe, just maybe, because of her personal portfolio, Janet Yellen might just be the right person for the job?
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and now I must read the comments and glean gifs.
Gawker didn't nail that one.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 15:59:31
Steal away.
Raine on 10/09/2013 15:59:31
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
The president isn't negotiating because we don't negotiate with Terrorists. Remember that, GOP?
Now that's made of win. I am totally stealing that to go on FB later.
Steal away.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 16:08:00
Raine on 10/09/2013 16:08:00
My Mom gives me a sad.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/09/2013 16:13:46
wickedpam on 10/09/2013 16:13:46
Quote by Raine:
My Mom gives me a sad.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 16:23:13
Don't know if you saw her last 2 posts.
I actually had to ask her if she really believe what she was posting. And in one, I went THERE. 
Raine on 10/09/2013 16:23:13
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
My Mom gives me a sad.
I actually had to ask her if she really believe what she was posting. And in one, I went THERE.
I would expect something like this from another parent of mine, not you. This is just mean, Mom.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/09/2013 16:29:24
Missed it - on which post?
I've kind of taken a small break from BoF and taken my inner fangirl over to tumblr so I can behave like a teen girl and not embarrass myself in front of people I work with
wickedpam on 10/09/2013 16:29:24
Quote by Raine:Don't know if you saw her last 2 posts.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
My Mom gives me a sad.
I actually had to ask her if she really believe what she was posting. And in one, I went THERE.I would expect something like this from another parent of mine, not you. This is just mean, Mom.
Missed it - on which post?
I've kind of taken a small break from BoF and taken my inner fangirl over to tumblr so I can behave like a teen girl and not embarrass myself in front of people I work with
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 16:29:25
Raine on 10/09/2013 16:29:25
Thanks Scoop. 
Comment by TriSec on 10/09/2013 16:29:34
TriSec on 10/09/2013 16:29:34
It's the weirdest thing. I was at an airshow, see....and a truck crashed into me!
(Posted for irony factor only - people were killed here.)
(Posted for irony factor only - people were killed here.)
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 16:30:32
Link below.
and then there is the whole one where my mom posted some stupid bullshit from 3 years ago.
Raine on 10/09/2013 16:30:32
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Don't know if you saw her last 2 posts.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
My Mom gives me a sad.
I actually had to ask her if she really believe what she was posting. And in one, I went THERE.I would expect something like this from another parent of mine, not you. This is just mean, Mom.
Missed it - on which post?
I've kind of taken a small break from BoF and taken my inner fangirl over to tumblr so I can behave like a teen girl and not embarrass myself in front of people I work with
Link below.
and then there is the whole one where my mom posted some stupid bullshit from 3 years ago.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/09/2013 16:30:39
Oh I wasn't done, dahling.
Scoopster on 10/09/2013 16:30:39
Quote by Raine:
Thanks Scoop.
Oh I wasn't done, dahling.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/09/2013 16:31:40
wickedpam on 10/09/2013 16:31:40
Comment by Scoopster on 10/09/2013 16:33:02
I think you need to have Oma friended to see it.. FACEBOOK PERMISSIONS!!!
Scoopster on 10/09/2013 16:33:02
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
And this:
this one? It tells me I don't have persimmon to view the page *pouts*
I think you need to have Oma friended to see it.. FACEBOOK PERMISSIONS!!!
Comment by Scoopster on 10/09/2013 16:36:16
Scoopster on 10/09/2013 16:36:16
Man, my work machine hasn't crashed once since I switched to Chrome.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/09/2013 16:36:32
Oma? I thought this was Mom? Mom I have not friended.
wickedpam on 10/09/2013 16:36:32
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
And this:
this one? It tells me I don't have persimmon to view the page *pouts*
I think you need to have Oma friended to see it.. FACEBOOK PERMISSIONS!!!
Oma? I thought this was Mom? Mom I have not friended.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/09/2013 16:38:12
Oh lol.. I thought it was her because the FB handle for that link is 'everyonesoma'
Scoopster on 10/09/2013 16:38:12
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
And this:
this one? It tells me I don't have persimmon to view the page *pouts*
I think you need to have Oma friended to see it.. FACEBOOK PERMISSIONS!!!
Oma? I thought this was Mom? Mom I have not friended.
Oh lol.. I thought it was her because the FB handle for that link is 'everyonesoma'
Comment by wickedpam on 10/09/2013 16:39:39
oohh that explains it
wickedpam on 10/09/2013 16:39:39
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
And this:
this one? It tells me I don't have persimmon to view the page *pouts*
I think you need to have Oma friended to see it.. FACEBOOK PERMISSIONS!!!
Oma? I thought this was Mom? Mom I have not friended.
Oh lol.. I thought it was her because the FB handle for that link is 'everyonesoma'
oohh that explains it
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 16:54:47
Raine on 10/09/2013 16:54:47
https://www.facebook.com/everyonesoma/posts/3553635096537?comment_id=2869461¬if_t=comment_mention Link she shared.
Ensuing discussion:
Ensuing discussion:
ME: Do you really believe this is true, Mom?
about an hour ago · Like
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Raine Koch http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/...
Raine Koch I get that we have a difference of views, but it makes me hurt to see blatant disinformation posted. This is just not true.
56 minutes ago · Like
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Kendra I give you credit Charlotte Bock Koch for admitting that you believed it was good and can now see how bad it is. Takes a big person to admit that and I respect you all the more for it.
47 minutes ago · Like · 1
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Raine Koch Of course you do, Kendra.
Allowing people the ability to have access to Health insurance is such a terrible thing.
40 minutes ago · Edited · Like
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Kendra not at all Raine Koch - lying and shoving it down our throats is. as the HBA at my job I can't tell you the people with the "un-enamored" looks on their faces now that I had to give them all the information on how it will affect their coverage they have now (which they can't keep despite being told everyone can keep the coverage they have now). I, for one, went on the exchange and my coverage premium would increase, not by $5, not $50 - FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS. Affordable? I think not.
16 minutes ago · Like
Raine Koch Of course, Kendra. You went on the exchange even though you have employee provided health insurance? Are you saying that you are a Health Benefits Administrator? If yes, I'm just go ahead and assume that you work for a small business that provided insurance. Is that ok?
Small Business' were allowed to be temporarily exempted from the mandate.
So as far as you going on the exchange: Why would you do that at all??? YOU ARE INSURED, No?
But by all means, please stroke my mothers anger about something that was never true at all. I really appreciate that.
No one is shoving anything down your throat. But please continue to ignore that what my mother posted isn't true. Please continue to divert my point and make this all about you. Please continue to get in between me and my mother.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 16:56:10
'everyonesoma' is my mom.
Raine on 10/09/2013 16:56:10
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
And this:
this one? It tells me I don't have persimmon to view the page *pouts*
I think you need to have Oma friended to see it.. FACEBOOK PERMISSIONS!!!
Oma? I thought this was Mom? Mom I have not friended.
Oh lol.. I thought it was her because the FB handle for that link is 'everyonesoma'
oohh that explains it
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 16:58:11
Raine on 10/09/2013 16:58:11
Now let's see if Kendra ( a woman I went to school with -- graduated with my sister) decides to come back.
I don't take people coming in between me and my mom lightly, even when we disagree.
Am I pissed? YES.
I don't take people coming in between me and my mom lightly, even when we disagree.
Am I pissed? YES.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/09/2013 16:58:26
who's Kendra? I don't like her.
wickedpam on 10/09/2013 16:58:26
Quote by Raine:
https://www.facebook.com/everyonesoma/posts/3553635096537?comment_id=2869461¬if_t=comment_mention Link she shared.
Ensuing discussion:ME: Do you really believe this is true, Mom?
about an hour ago · Like
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Raine Koch http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/...
Raine Koch I get that we have a difference of views, but it makes me hurt to see blatant disinformation posted. This is just not true.
56 minutes ago · Like
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Kendra I give you credit Charlotte Bock Koch for admitting that you believed it was good and can now see how bad it is. Takes a big person to admit that and I respect you all the more for it.
47 minutes ago · Like · 1
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Raine Koch Of course you do, Kendra.
Allowing people the ability to have access to Health insurance is such a terrible thing.
40 minutes ago · Edited · Like
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Kendra not at all Raine Koch - lying and shoving it down our throats is. as the HBA at my job I can't tell you the people with the "un-enamored" looks on their faces now that I had to give them all the information on how it will affect their coverage they have now (which they can't keep despite being told everyone can keep the coverage they have now). I, for one, went on the exchange and my coverage premium would increase, not by $5, not $50 - FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS. Affordable? I think not.
16 minutes ago · Like
Raine Koch Of course, Kendra. You went on the exchange even though you have employee provided health insurance? Are you saying that you are a Health Benefits Administrator? If yes, I'm just go ahead and assume that you work for a small business that provided insurance. Is that ok?
Small Business' were allowed to be temporarily exempted from the mandate.
So as far as you going on the exchange: Why would you do that at all??? YOU ARE INSURED, No?
But by all means, please stroke my mothers anger about something that was never true at all. I really appreciate that.
No one is shoving anything down your throat. But please continue to ignore that what my mother posted isn't true. Please continue to divert my point and make this all about you. Please continue to get in between me and my mother.
who's Kendra? I don't like her.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 16:58:50
Raine on 10/09/2013 16:58:50
When Rainie gets pissed like this it's not good.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/09/2013 16:59:20
Oh I'd be totally pissed if someone did that to me and my mom!
wickedpam on 10/09/2013 16:59:20
Quote by Raine:
Now let's see if Kendra ( a woman I went to school with -- graduated with my sister) decides to come back.
I don't take people coming in between me and my mom lightly, even when we disagree.
Am I pissed? YES.
Oh I'd be totally pissed if someone did that to me and my mom!
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 16:59:57
See below.
Raine on 10/09/2013 16:59:57
Quote by Raine:
Now let's see if Kendra ( a woman I went to school with -- graduated with my sister) decides to come back.
I don't take people coming in between me and my mom lightly, even when we disagree.
Am I pissed? YES.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/09/2013 17:01:51
no offense but I still don't like her.
wickedpam on 10/09/2013 17:01:51
Quote by Raine:See below.Quote by Raine:
Now let's see if Kendra ( a woman I went to school with -- graduated with my sister) decides to come back.
I don't take people coming in between me and my mom lightly, even when we disagree.
Am I pissed? YES.
no offense but I still don't like her.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 17:02:44
Raine on 10/09/2013 17:02:44
Kendra is one of many former schoolmates that like to call my Mom *Momma Koch* -- 'im ok with that, always have been, but when you subvert my relationship -- I'll phucking come at ya.
Here husband called me an asshole a few years ago on one of my mom's threads.
Here husband called me an asshole a few years ago on one of my mom's threads.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 17:03:53
It was at that point that I realized that I, like Tri have an enemies list.
There are some things that I do not, and cannot, forget.
Raine on 10/09/2013 17:03:53
Quote by Raine:
Kendra is one of many former schoolmates that like to call my Mom *Momma Koch* -- 'im ok with that, always have been, but when you subvert my relationship -- I'll phucking come at ya.
Her husband called me an asshole a few years ago on one of my mom's threads.
It was at that point that I realized that I, like Tri have an enemies list.
There are some things that I do not, and cannot, forget.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/09/2013 17:04:28
That's just beyond rude.
wickedpam on 10/09/2013 17:04:28
Quote by Raine:
Kendra is one of many former schoolmates that like to call my Mom *Momma Koch* -- 'im ok with that, always have been, but when you subvert my relationship -- I'll phucking come at ya.
Here husband called me an asshole a few years ago on one of my mom's threads.
That's just beyond rude.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 17:05:49
No offense taken at all, Mala. This woman had the nerve to bitch that I don;t say anything on her page. I told her I have no desire to shit in her house.
It takes a lot for me to defreind someone on Bof. In this case she is a friend of my sister. I'm livid.
Raine on 10/09/2013 17:05:49
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:See below.Quote by Raine:
Now let's see if Kendra ( a woman I went to school with -- graduated with my sister) decides to come back.
I don't take people coming in between me and my mom lightly, even when we disagree.
Am I pissed? YES.
no offense but I still don't like her.
No offense taken at all, Mala. This woman had the nerve to bitch that I don;t say anything on her page. I told her I have no desire to shit in her house.
It takes a lot for me to defreind someone on Bof. In this case she is a friend of my sister. I'm livid.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/09/2013 17:11:21
I would totally unfriend. you don't need that kind of aggravation and disrespect.
wickedpam on 10/09/2013 17:11:21
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:See below.Quote by Raine:
Now let's see if Kendra ( a woman I went to school with -- graduated with my sister) decides to come back.
I don't take people coming in between me and my mom lightly, even when we disagree.
Am I pissed? YES.
no offense but I still don't like her.
No offense taken at all, Mala. This woman had the nerve to bitch that I don;t say anything on her page. I told her I have no desire to shit in her house.
It takes a lot for me to defreind someone on Bof. In this case she is a friend of my sister. I'm livid.
I would totally unfriend. you don't need that kind of aggravation and disrespect.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/09/2013 17:12:18
This chick claims to be an HBA and she's completely in the dark about how the ACA works... Either that or she's willingly ignoring the facts to fit her own political views. We'll see if she comes back with a reply to mine.
And Raine, don;t you dare feel bad about de-friending anyone. I've done it to my own brother at LEAST six times in the past few years because he's become a seriously vile libertard and conspiracy nut.
Scoopster on 10/09/2013 17:12:18
Quote by Raine:
Kendra is one of many former schoolmates that like to call my Mom *Momma Koch* -- 'im ok with that, always have been, but when you subvert my relationship -- I'll phucking come at ya.
Here husband called me an asshole a few years ago on one of my mom's threads.
This chick claims to be an HBA and she's completely in the dark about how the ACA works... Either that or she's willingly ignoring the facts to fit her own political views. We'll see if she comes back with a reply to mine.
And Raine, don;t you dare feel bad about de-friending anyone. I've done it to my own brother at LEAST six times in the past few years because he's become a seriously vile libertard and conspiracy nut.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 17:19:48
NAILED IT! I was writing a response before I saw what you wrote.
Raine on 10/09/2013 17:19:48
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
Kendra is one of many former schoolmates that like to call my Mom *Momma Koch* -- 'im ok with that, always have been, but when you subvert my relationship -- I'll phucking come at ya.
Here husband called me an asshole a few years ago on one of my mom's threads.
This chick claims to be an HBA and she's completely in the dark about how the ACA works... Either that or she's willingly ignoring the facts to fit her own political views. We'll see if she comes back with a reply to mine.
And Raine, don;t you dare feel bad about de-friending anyone. I've done it to my own brother at LEAST six times in the past few years because he's become a seriously vile libertard and conspiracy nut.
NAILED IT! I was writing a response before I saw what you wrote.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 17:22:48
Raine on 10/09/2013 17:22:48
Kendra I'm not getting in the middle, all I did was remark to her that I respected her is all - you brought up other things. Why wouldn't I go on the exchange? Why wouldn't I have all information available so I could have answers to questions when asked. Not to mention at the time I was unsure how my husband's job (which covers me not that I need to explain that) was going to handle/offer health ins. come Jan 1. So why wouldn't I go on it to know what my options were? I'd be a fool not to look into it. And fining people for not taking insurance IS shoving it down your throat. But, before I'm accusing of "shitting on a post" I'm gone! Will not argue on your mom's page any further out of respect for her.
29 minutes ago · Like
OTHER FRIEND You missed the point completely. People who have insurance through their employer DO NOT NEED THE EXCHANGE. And on top of that people who have a good job that pays well and provides them with insurance ARE INELIGIBLE FOR SUBSIDIES TO REDUCE THE COST. That is why the rates are higher than what you currently have. If you had done the research about the ACA rather than just going on the exchange website and blindly throwing your numbers at it, you would have known what would happen.
14 minutes ago · Like
Raine Koch Of course you're not getting in the middle, Kendra. Of course -- except you did. I was born -- but it wasn't yesterday.
I thought your husband worked for NYS DOC? Why would you need the exchange? Are you really as misinformed as **Kenneth Russell** ? Like I said: if you have employee provided health insurance, the exchange is not relevant to you. If you are a Health Benefits Administrator then you should already know this. If you have insurance thru you husband you don't need the exchange. It's that simple. NYS employees have damn fine insurance. The exchange is for people with no insurance. You have to know this.
Either you are willfully misrepresenting truth or you don't know what you are talking about -- or maybe your political views are blinding you from honest discussion.
2 minutes ago · Like
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 17:23:50
Raine on 10/09/2013 17:23:50
You know what else I don't need? Fucking teabaggers feeding my mother BULLSHIT LIES.
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 17:27:49
Raine on 10/09/2013 17:27:49
My Mom is 68 years old. I will fight to make sure she doesn't become filled with fox news hatred.
This is something that bothers me to no end. It's very hard to explain, but she's a woman with a warm heart. She susceptible to being overcome with hate.
There is a reason why so many people call her Momma Koch -- and so many young ones call her Oma. If the hate takes over -- they will walk away from her. They will say what happened to her, she used to be do full of love.
(I think this might be something I have to work out)
This is something that bothers me to no end. It's very hard to explain, but she's a woman with a warm heart. She susceptible to being overcome with hate.
There is a reason why so many people call her Momma Koch -- and so many young ones call her Oma. If the hate takes over -- they will walk away from her. They will say what happened to her, she used to be do full of love.
(I think this might be something I have to work out)
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 17:36:46
Her husband does, as a matter of fact, work for the NYS DOC.
Raine on 10/09/2013 17:36:46
Kendra You are incorrect regarding my personal insurance and situation. Out of respect for your mother I will not argue or have an honest discussion whichever you prefer to call it. Take care
10 minutes ago via mobile · Like
Raine Koch Of course, according to you, I am incorrect.
But thank you for clarifying nothing.
about a minute ago · Like
Her husband does, as a matter of fact, work for the NYS DOC.
Comment by TriSec on 10/09/2013 17:40:02
TriSec on 10/09/2013 17:40:02
Raine, feel better about this.
Mrs. TriSec is starting a full-time job at last next weekend. She's back with Tufts Health Plan (Watertown, MA), actually.
We've done the math - her insurance costs less than what I'm paying for Fallon, and because the ACA protects all our pre-existing conditions, we can switch with no worries and ACTUALLY SAVE MONEY.
Fucking Teatards, IT WORKS, YOU ASSHOLES!
Mrs. TriSec is starting a full-time job at last next weekend. She's back with Tufts Health Plan (Watertown, MA), actually.
We've done the math - her insurance costs less than what I'm paying for Fallon, and because the ACA protects all our pre-existing conditions, we can switch with no worries and ACTUALLY SAVE MONEY.
Fucking Teatards, IT WORKS, YOU ASSHOLES!
Comment by wickedpam on 10/09/2013 17:45:06
no she just drops a bomb and runs. She's completely disrespectful.
wickedpam on 10/09/2013 17:45:06
Quote by Raine:Kendra You are incorrect regarding my personal insurance and situation. Out of respect for your mother I will not argue or have an honest discussion whichever you prefer to call it. Take care
10 minutes ago via mobile · Like
Raine Koch Of course, according to you, I am incorrect.
But thank you for clarifying nothing.
about a minute ago · Like
Her husband does, as a matter of fact, work for the NYS DOC.
no she just drops a bomb and runs. She's completely disrespectful.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/09/2013 17:46:30
wickedpam on 10/09/2013 17:46:30
Quote by Raine:
My Mom is 68 years old. I will fight to make sure she doesn't become filled with fox news hatred.
This is something that bothers me to no end. It's very hard to explain, but she's a woman with a warm heart. She susceptible to being overcome with hate.
There is a reason why so many people call her Momma Koch -- and so many young ones call her Oma. If the hate takes over -- they will walk away from her. They will say what happened to her, she used to be do full of love.
(I think this might be something I have to work out)
Comment by Scoopster on 10/09/2013 17:46:32
Scoopster on 10/09/2013 17:46:32
Heh.. OTOH my boss and I both did the exchange thing and because only two insurers have chosen to participate (BCBS-RI and United... ugh!) the rates aren't much different. The state has always offered an alternative to either one, but it's for low-income families.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 17:46:53
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 17:46:53
Alrighty then. Why in the hell is the this Kendra person going to an exchange if she has insurance through her employer? What is this bullshit about her coverage being $500 bucks a month? Does she not qualify for subsidies. If she makes that much that she doesn't qualify for a subsidy why is complaining, she's got the money. Duh.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 17:48:38
But you live in Freedom Hating Massachusetts ® therefore your argument is invalid. Don't you know how this works, Tri?
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 17:48:38
Quote by TriSec:
Raine, feel better about this.
Mrs. TriSec is starting a full-time job at last next weekend. She's back with Tufts Health Plan (Watertown, MA), actually.
We've done the math - her insurance costs less than what I'm paying for Fallon, and because the ACA protects all our pre-existing conditions, we can switch with no worries and ACTUALLY SAVE MONEY.
Fucking Teatards, IT WORKS, YOU ASSHOLES!
But you live in Freedom Hating Massachusetts ® therefore your argument is invalid. Don't you know how this works, Tri?
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 17:49:45
That makes me 
I want to b-slap this one. I want very much to say this to her:
(REALLY WANT TO SAY THAT)
Raine on 10/09/2013 17:49:45
Quote by TriSec:
Raine, feel better about this.
Mrs. TriSec is starting a full-time job at last next weekend. She's back with Tufts Health Plan (Watertown, MA), actually.
We've done the math - her insurance costs less than what I'm paying for Fallon, and because the ACA protects all our pre-existing conditions, we can switch with no worries and ACTUALLY SAVE MONEY.
Fucking Teatards, IT WORKS, YOU ASSHOLES!
I want to b-slap this one. I want very much to say this to her:
your idea of respect for my mother is laughable. You only respect her if she agrees with your political point of view, Kendra. Â You don't respect my Mother, you like her. You like when she posts lies like this. You like when she posts anti Obama stuff -- regardless of its truth.
And that's fine, that I can respect -- but please stop acting like you have a view of respect when it comes to our family. You don't have respect for my mother. You just don't want to say what you really think on her page when you are challenged by people like me. That's gotta be a tough situation.
**I respect your mom so much that I can't call Obamam a n**ger on her page**
(REALLY WANT TO SAY THAT)
Comment by Scoopster on 10/09/2013 17:49:46
That's exactly what I said, which she completely ignored and continued to be petulant.
Scoopster on 10/09/2013 17:49:46
Quote by Mondobubba:
Alrighty then. Why in the hell is the this Kendra person going to an exchange if she has insurance through her employer? What is this bullshit about her coverage being $500 bucks a month? Does she not qualify for subsidies. If she makes that much that she doesn't qualify for a subsidy why is complaining, she's got the money. Duh.
That's exactly what I said, which she completely ignored and continued to be petulant.
Comment by TriSec on 10/09/2013 17:52:40
Which is why we need to secede. : ducks incoming brick :
TriSec on 10/09/2013 17:52:40
Quote by Mondobubba:
But you live in Freedom Hating Massachusetts ® therefore your argument is invalid. Don't you know how this works, Tri?
Which is why we need to secede. : ducks incoming brick :
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 17:58:32
I will now have to burn Waltham, MA.
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 17:58:32
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
But you live in Freedom Hating Massachusetts ® therefore your argument is invalid. Don't you know how this works, Tri?
Which is why we need to secede. : ducks incoming brick :
I will now have to burn Waltham, MA.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 18:00:21
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 18:00:21
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 18:00:42
Raine on 10/09/2013 18:00:42
Raine Koch Also thank you Kendra for not explaining why you went to exchange knowing you have insurance.
Also, Thank you for your respect for my mother. I really appreciate that I get to clean up your shit in order to have a nice conversation with her in the future. Awesome trolling, baby.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/09/2013 18:04:30
Scoopster on 10/09/2013 18:04:30
Comment by BobR on 10/09/2013 18:06:38
Yup - said as much in my Monday blog.
BobR on 10/09/2013 18:06:38
Quote by Scoopster:
Something to consider.. they're just itching for a reason to impeach Obama.
Yup - said as much in my Monday blog.
Comment by 
livingonli on 10/09/2013 18:16:29
livingonli on 10/09/2013 18:16:29
I really think we should just call the teabaggers Fascists and be done with it.
Comment by livingonli on 10/09/2013 18:17:17
livingonli on 10/09/2013 18:17:17
Refresh comments not working on Firefox again.
Comment by TriSec on 10/09/2013 18:19:15
Fuck it. Everything this Commonwealth has given to the United States, the other 49 states have managed to break. It's past the time where we should just give up and cut off the rest of you.
"Preserve, Protect, and Defend the Constitution of the United States." If we could somehow construe a foreign power doing what we're doing from within, we'd be at fucking war now. Maybe we are.
Everybody on the Titanic thought things would be OK until the fo'c'sle dipped under, by then most of the people that were going to survive were already on the lifeboats.
TriSec on 10/09/2013 18:19:15
Quote by Mondobubba:
I will now have to burn Waltham, MA.
Fuck it. Everything this Commonwealth has given to the United States, the other 49 states have managed to break. It's past the time where we should just give up and cut off the rest of you.
"Preserve, Protect, and Defend the Constitution of the United States." If we could somehow construe a foreign power doing what we're doing from within, we'd be at fucking war now. Maybe we are.
Everybody on the Titanic thought things would be OK until the fo'c'sle dipped under, by then most of the people that were going to survive were already on the lifeboats.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/09/2013 18:58:34
Eep! Wasn't working on Chrome either. Funky..
Scoopster on 10/09/2013 18:58:34
Quote by livingonli:
Refresh comments not working on Firefox again.
Eep! Wasn't working on Chrome either. Funky..
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 19:22:27
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 19:22:27
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 19:25:10
Hmm, you started foaming at the mouth and I zoned out. Sorry, Tri.
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 19:25:10
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
I will now have to burn Waltham, MA.
Fuck it. Everything this Commonwealth has given to the United States, the other 49 states have managed to break. It's past the time where we should just give up and cut off the rest of you.
"Preserve, Protect, and Defend the Constitution of the United States." If we could somehow construe a foreign power doing what we're doing from within, we'd be at fucking war now. Maybe we are.
Everybody on the Titanic thought things would be OK until the fo'c'sle dipped under, by then most of the people that were going to survive were already on the lifeboats.
Hmm, you started foaming at the mouth and I zoned out. Sorry, Tri.
Comment by BobR on 10/09/2013 21:04:16
OHMIGOD - it's just what Pat Robertson predicted if Gay Marriage was allowed to happen!
BobR on 10/09/2013 21:04:16
Quote by Mondobubba:
Today's moment of squee!
OHMIGOD - it's just what Pat Robertson predicted if Gay Marriage was allowed to happen!
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 21:28:59
Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 21:28:59
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Today's moment of squee!
OHMIGOD - it's just what Pat Robertson predicted if Gay Marriage was allowed to happen!
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 22:41:19
Raine on 10/09/2013 22:41:19
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 22:44:25
Can we get a NY exception? Pretty sure NY deserves t be there with Massachusetts. Plus, I can move back there.
Raine on 10/09/2013 22:44:25
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
I will now have to burn Waltham, MA.
Fuck it. Everything this Commonwealth has given to the United States, the other 49 states have managed to break. It's past the time where we should just give up and cut off the rest of you.
"Preserve, Protect, and Defend the Constitution of the United States." If we could somehow construe a foreign power doing what we're doing from within, we'd be at fucking war now. Maybe we are.
Everybody on the Titanic thought things would be OK until the fo'c'sle dipped under, by then most of the people that were going to survive were already on the lifeboats.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/10/2013 03:36:00
Will in Chicago on 10/10/2013 03:36:00
Raine, hang in there. I have dealt with lots of jerks, but you seem to be plagued by them on Facebook.
I still believe in this country and its potential for greatness and goodness despite the fools and demagogues.
I fear that we are heading to a Constitutional crisis. I fear it is what may be one of the last desperate plays of the backers of the Tea Party, but I wonder how many will suffer for their arrogance.
I still believe in this country and its potential for greatness and goodness despite the fools and demagogues.
I fear that we are heading to a Constitutional crisis. I fear it is what may be one of the last desperate plays of the backers of the Tea Party, but I wonder how many will suffer for their arrogance.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/10/2013 03:43:03
Where would I, stuck in NW Indiana, move? We must recognize our own underlying unity -- as it will frustrate the Tea Partiers.
Will in Chicago on 10/10/2013 03:43:03
Quote by Raine:Can we get a NY exception? Pretty sure NY deserves t be there with Massachusetts. Plus, I can move back there.Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
I will now have to burn Waltham, MA.
Fuck it. Everything this Commonwealth has given to the United States, the other 49 states have managed to break. It's past the time where we should just give up and cut off the rest of you.
"Preserve, Protect, and Defend the Constitution of the United States." If we could somehow construe a foreign power doing what we're doing from within, we'd be at fucking war now. Maybe we are.
Everybody on the Titanic thought things would be OK until the fo'c'sle dipped under, by then most of the people that were going to survive were already on the lifeboats.
Where would I, stuck in NW Indiana, move? We must recognize our own underlying unity -- as it will frustrate the Tea Partiers.