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Debate 2, Round 1
Author: BobR    Date: 07/31/2019 13:15:52

Last night was the 2nd in a seemingly endless series of Democratic primary debates. Once again there were 10 candidates on the stage (and 10 more tomorrow night), picked at random (supposedly). There were 2 front-runners (Sanders and Warren), several forgettable white men (Ryan, Delaney, Hickenlooper, Bullock), Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, Beto O'Rourke, and Marianne Williamnson once again bringing the woo.

The format seemed designed - and guided by the moderators - to pit the 2nd and 3rd tier candidates against the front-runners. The moderators would go back and forth between Warren or Sanders and the other candidates. They were also attempting to be VERY strict regarding the time limits for answering questions. While in theory that's a good idea, the amount of time allocated just wasn't enough. Most of the time it seemed that the candidates where just getting to their points when the moderators cut them off.

The Forgettable White Men contingent were pushing a more moderate stance on most issues, particularly health care solutions. I tend to agree with them, that rather than replace the ACA, a public option should be added. Once that's in place, then the next step would be to force private insurers to be non-profit. The next step after that would be to simply use the Canadian model. The other option is to put Medicare-for-All in place immediately, and push private insurers into the "add on" market. The problem with that is it ensures a 2nd class citizen tier for those unable to afford the private market add-on coverage.

But I digress... There were some good moments. Elizabeth Warren got the best ad-hoc sound bite when - after listening to one of the Forgettable White Guys espousing a particularly mealy-mouthed position - she proclaimed "You know, I don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the United States just to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for". Brutal...

Williamson was much better this time around (although still nowhere near the ballpark of "presidential"). She spoke in favor of reparations for descendants of slaves, and castigated the moderates, saying "I've heard some people here tonight, I almost wonder why you're Democrats. You seem to think there's something wrong about using instruments of government to help people. That is what government should do. All policies should help people thrive. That is how we will have peace and that is how we will have prosperity."

There were also divides when the subject of decriminalizing border crossings was brought up. Buttigieg said "We can argue over the finer points of which parts should be handled by civil law and criminal law". I was under the impression that crossing the border undocumented WAS a civil law violation - not a criminal one. Has that changed? If so - it needs to be changed back.

All in all - it was a bit annoying to watch, mainly because of the moderators. It was difficult to get a good sense of where the candidates stood on key issues. Warren and Sanders were given probably half of the screen time. Amy Klobuchar got very little, which is a shame because she came across as very competent when allowed to speak. Sanders has 2 volumes - loud, and louder. It wasn't a complete waste of time, but it was difficult to maintain interest.

Tonight - we get to do it all over again. It will be Biden and Harris, with a larger second-level tier and more women (Booker, Castro, Gabbard, Gillibrand), with Bennet, de Blasio, Inslee, and Yang trying to remain relevant. I hope the moderators are better this time, but the time restrictions will likely be the same. Hopefully, the field is winnowed down between now and September so that the debate isn't just a series of 30 second sound bites.
 
 

20 comments (Latest Comment: 07/31/2019 17:49:17 by livingonli)
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Comment by Raine on 07/31/2019 13:21:22
Forgettable White men! Love it!

FWMâ„¢

Comment by Raine on 07/31/2019 13:23:52
I for one really would like at least half of these people to leave the race. They are all noble in their own way, but they are also sucking the oxygen out of the room --

We are at a time when a serious debate is needed.

Comment by Scoopster on 07/31/2019 13:24:56
Mornin' all!

I would be perfectly comfortable if Marianne Williamson stuffed herself in a locker for the next 20 years.

Comment by Raine on 07/31/2019 13:40:51
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all!

I would be perfectly comfortable if Marianne Williamson stuffed herself in a locker for the next 20 years.

I find her pretty nerve-wracking.

This is why:
But this supposedly empowering rhetoric masks a mean-spirited individualism. Williamson, like conservative thinkers, often blames material problems on personal failures. Her ideology may sound airy and inoffensive, but it is ultimately one of neoliberal victim shaming. And it would lead to harmful policies if she were, by some miracle, to be elected to public office.



Comment by Scoopster on 07/31/2019 13:43:21
Airy & inoffensive.. like fat shaming & insulting people who are medication for mental health reasons?

I take back what I said. I'M GONNA STUFF HER IN THE LOCKER FOR 20 YEARS.

Comment by Raine on 07/31/2019 13:55:13
Quote by Scoopster:
Airy & inoffensive.. like fat shaming & insulting people who are medication for mental health reasons?

I take back what I said. I'M GONNA STUFF HER IN THE LOCKER FOR 20 YEARS.

have you seen the crap she wrote about regarding AIDS?

Look, I love tarot, and a lot of that stiff, but she is dangerous. I am trying to find a twitter thread about a woman who had been ppulled into her philosophies -- she failed becuase she sufferd from servere depression and blamed herself for not loving the universe enough.



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/31/2019 14:55:43
Setting up the ACA coverage this morning. I need to run down to the store formerly known as Kinko's and scan a document.

Comment by Raine on 07/31/2019 14:59:49
Quote by Mondobubba:
Setting up the ACA coverage this morning. I need to run down to the store formerly known as Kinko's and scan a document.

Good luck and god speed, sir!

Comment by Raine on 07/31/2019 15:29:10
What the hell.





Comment by Mondobubba on 07/31/2019 15:49:47
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Setting up the ACA coverage this morning. I need to run down to the store formerly known as Kinko's and scan a document.

Good luck and god speed, sir!


Keeerist! Difficult to navigate much, Heathcare.gov?

Comment by Scoopster on 07/31/2019 16:20:38
Hmm.. so Reagan was an unabashed racist behind closed doors?

Guess what? REAGAN IS DEAD & ROTTING IN HELL. FOCUS ON THE LIVING NIGHTMARE.

Comment by BobR on 07/31/2019 16:21:17
Quote by Raine:
Forgettable White men! Love it!

FWMâ„¢



Comment by BobR on 07/31/2019 16:24:02
Quote by Scoopster:
Hmm.. so Reagan was an unabashed racist behind closed doors?

Guess what? REAGAN IS DEAD & ROTTING IN HELL. FOCUS ON THE LIVING NIGHTMARE.

Is this some attempt by the media or RW to equate tRumpy with Reagan?

Comment by Scoopster on 07/31/2019 16:28:06
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Scoopster:
Hmm.. so Reagan was an unabashed racist behind closed doors?

Guess what? REAGAN IS DEAD & ROTTING IN HELL. FOCUS ON THE LIVING NIGHTMARE.

Is this some attempt by the media or RW to equate tRumpy with Reagan?

Good gravy I didn't even think of that possibility.

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/31/2019 16:31:22
Quote by Scoopster:
Hmm.. so Reagan was an unabashed racist behind closed doors?

Guess what? REAGAN IS DEAD & ROTTING IN HELL. FOCUS ON THE LIVING NIGHTMARE.


This just in, water is when and fire is hot.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/31/2019 16:36:32
* Runs by waves hi *


Comment by Scoopster on 07/31/2019 16:55:47
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/31/2019 17:19:49
Hi, everyone!!

I will be away for the next several days at GenCon in Indianapolis. I will try to check in.

I think that we will see fewer candidates by September.

Comment by livingonli on 07/31/2019 17:49:17
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Scoopster:
Hmm.. so Reagan was an unabashed racist behind closed doors?

Guess what? REAGAN IS DEAD & ROTTING IN HELL. FOCUS ON THE LIVING NIGHTMARE.


This just in, water is when and fire is hot.

We already had the tapes displaying Nixon's racism and anti-semitism.